Based on the physical properties of the two aircraft I’d suspect the Rafale has a higher instantaneous rate, but at the same time the Typhoon should have a superior sustained turn rate irrespective of altitude thanks to signifantly higher thrust and a lower induced drag. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Highly experienced crews, full DAS and radar capabilities without export restrictions (and a nuclear missile capability). Noun Any disturbed state of the atmosphere, especially as affecting the earth's surface, and strongly implying destructive or unpleasant weather. I’m not 100% sure if Rafale can now use the full two-way datalink functionality on Meteor. However, Brimstone is not designed to produce area effects or destroy structures, so for such targets the AASM family provides far more capability, especially with the larger ‘bomb’ body variants. The Typhoon has an advantage in terms of a mature helmet mounted display (HMD) system in the form of the Striker helmet, and an extremely advanced follow on (the Striker II) is well into testing with integral night vision, multi role visual/voice target designation capabilities and other advancements. What is the best Typhoon variant today and why? The UK’s new Britecloud active radar ‘chaff’ countermeasures are another area where Typhoon is potentially somewhat in the lead on DAS features. Typhoon comes with one or two TRDs mounted in a wingtip pod as standard, with specific version dependent on operator choices. He is based in Cologne, Germany. In within-visual range combat, both Typhoon and Rafale would likely destroy each other in the merge in a 1v1 or 2v2. It is said that the Rafale would have an advantage in a dogfight below 10K feet and a Typhoon above, would you agree with this? MICA has slightly superior range to ASRAAM and significantly superior range to IRIS-T. All are highly agile and lethal missiles in a WVR engagement, with IRIS-T boasting the greatest knife fight agility, ASRAAM the best performance off the rail, and MICA the best reach. While Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH co-ordinates the programme on Industry side, the NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency (NETMA) acts as the single point of contact for customers and governments. We went back to Justin Bronk and asked him to revisit this analysis to include half a decade’s worth of development and weapons integration which has now placed these two aircraft at the top of their game. (RBE2 likely to still beat Radar 0 upon IOC due to more mature system and HMI). In 2006, it was announced that, in addition to Saudi Arabia's contract to purchase the Eurofighter Typhoon, both the Tornado IDS and ADV fleets would undergo a £2.5 billion program of upgrades, allowing them to remain in service to at least 2020. Europe's two middle-weight fighter aircraft, the Typhoon and Rafale, have fought tooth and nail for multi-billion Euro sales across the world. (From the Sponsor) Personal finance expert Jeanette Mack discusses steps to take for paying your student loan payments. However, an RAF standard Tranche 3 Typhoon would likely come out ahead on BVR performance, interceptor missions (due to extreme rate of climb and performance), ESM, terminal countermeasures and low-collateral strike capabilities. In practice it would depend on pilot experience and skill to fly their aircraft at best corner speed and manage their energy and position to best effect. The move is not altogether surprising. If fuselage fatigue isn’t an issue, I’d say it is perfectly valid even today, even without further upgrades, even for NATO countries. German officials later tried to distance themselves from Muellner’s F-35 preference. It is packed with a feast of material, ranging from interviews with fighter pilots (including the English Electric Lightning, stealthy F-35B and Mach 3 MiG-25 ‘Foxbat’), to wicked satire, expert historical analysis, top 10s and all manner of things aeronautical, from the site described as: “the thinking-man’s Top Gear… but for planes”. The fact that Kuwaiti Typhoons are already flying with the export AESA is a welcome but long overdue improvement but Typhoon really continues to lag in terms of exploitation of its huge potential (given the massive nose aperture and power available) in the AESA department. US development efforts have emphasised these cooperative engagement capabilities (CEC) far more than French ones over the past two decades, and Typhoon benefits from that weapon heritage. However, Rafale can also use the RECO-NG wide area/standoff TAC-R pod to provide a modern, fully digital equivalent to RAPTOR. Just wondering what everyone thinks , out of the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Tornado F3 Which one do you think is better I genreally prefer the Typhoon , seen it at a airshow and by god that Jet is a beauty! Both include the RBE2 although it is likely to be an export standard that is slightly de-tuned compared to French aircraft. Both can use third party target data to launch Meteor without active radar scanning by the launch aircraft, and both can hand off guidance in flight to other friendly assets. Germany’s parliament has approved a major €5.4 billion ($6.35 billion) contract to purchase heavily modernised Tranche 3 variants of the Eurofighter Typhoon fourth generation combat jet, which will allow it to phase its ageing Cold War era Tornado swept wing fighters out of service. However, even within the RAF, the older Tranche 1s are much more costly to fly and difficult to maintain than the new Tranche 3s. COLOGNE, Germany ― Germany’s Ministry of Defence has officially ruled out the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter as a choice to replace its aging Tornado … Costs like a Raptor, flies like a Tornado. Eurofighter Typhoon procurement is the planned selection and purchase of the Eurofighter Typhoon jet fighter by various countries.. Typhoon has anti-ship munition options but no current operators use them. Pakistani pilots flying modernised versions of the 1970s-vintage F-16 Falcon fighter have beaten the RAF's brand-new Eurofighter Typhoon superfighters during air combat exercises in Turkey, according to a Pakistani officer. Panavia Tornado VS Eurofighter Typhoon airplane Poster Home Decoration Printing Wall High quality Picture Print 20x30Inch by Wall Decor Master. Energy management/ ability to regenerate energy. The lack of a helmet mounted sight for Rafale until the Qatari standard has meant that in practice Typhoon users may be able to get more out of IRIS-T or ASRAAM in a dynamic WVR engagement. Typhoon with the PIRATE system is significantly ahead of the legacy Rafale IRST. Both fighters are fairly expensive to operate compared to solutions such as Gripen or F-16 on a one-for-one basis, being large, complex, twin engined beasts. I asked a Eurofighter pilot about this and I’m still not quite sure it’s a meaningful thing. The exact cost per flight hour (a hugely contentious topic anyway) will depend greatly on which operator and which version you are looking at. As for the UK v US crap spouted on here, they are the strongest alleys in the world. According to all the Rafale pilots I have spoken to, the Rafale’s F3R standard HMI is superb from an operator’s point of view in multirole scenarios, especially in terms of displaying threat information. By giving us your email, you are opting in to the Early Bird Brief. Etymology 1 From (etyl) storm, from (etyl) . I think that is now enabled. The Typhoon—despite its superior aerodynamic performance—is slowly being edged out by the stealthy F-35. In 2015, Research Fellow at the RUSI Think-tank Justin Bronk, compared Europe’s two middle-weight fighter aircraft, the Typhoon and Rafale, The relatively subtle differences between these two superbly capable aircraft have inspired a great deal of heated debate, often poisoned by pride and nationalism. After all, Typhoon and Rafale were not built to fight each other, and will not do so. The biggest source of differences comes from the French requirement that the basic airframe design be suitable for CATOBAR carrier operations, which carries particular requirements in terms of relatively high-alpha, low speed handling especially with external stores still attached. Make sure this fits by entering your model number. Money Minute — When Should You Close a Credit Card? - YouTube Their job is to deter and if necessary provide overmatch against the latest hostile fighter types. Germany’s decision appears to have been a surprise for F-35 manufacturer Lockheed Martin, which was not told by the ministry of the imminent announcement. F-22 Raptor vs Eurofighter Typhoon: Who Would Win? The Eurofighter has now replaced the Tornado ADV in the air-defence role. NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management … Both types have a similar ferry range with a ‘heavy’ three tank fit. In terms of instantaneous turn rate, Rafale has a slight advantage in air combat configuration and that increases with heavier multirole or strike loads. The latter was deleted from the latest F3R standard aircraft pending an updated capability in the F4 standard jets, leaving a laser rangefinder/EO ball only. English. The Eurofighter project survived the collapse of defense spending at the end of the Cold War, with a prototype first flying in 1994. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. With the Centurion upgrades, Meteor integration and an extremely experienced user community both in terms of strike/multirole missions and air superiority, the RAF’s Tranche 3 Typhoons would edge out the Kuwaiti and Qatari aircraft in terms of operational capability, even though the latter feature the export version of the CAPTOR-E radar series. The wartime load-out for Typhoon would by four Meteor in semi-recessed fuselage mounts plus four ASRAAM/IRIS-T although in practice a mix of Meteor and AMRAAM might be chosen for additional tactical flexibility and stockpile management. In terms of load carrying capacity, ECM, subsonic agility, low and medium altitude WVR performance and cost Rafale F3R would also likely still come out ahead of a Tranche 2 or 3 P3E standard Typhoon. Previously he served as managing editor for Defense News. As the foundation of NATO’s next generation of air power, the F-35 is the most advanced aircraft in the world today, and includes Electronic Attack capabilities well beyond any specialized fourth generation aircraft.”. Competing against the Typhoon is Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. The Typhoon is not certified to carry the American-made nuclear bombs that Germany, as part of its strategic posture, is supposed to be able to carry on its jets. The Typhoon was conceived from the start of the project as a collaborative venture by several European countries under the Eurofighter GmbH consortium. How has Typhoon improved since your 2015 assessment?The multirole capabilities of the jet have matured drastically since 2015, especially as a result of the RAF’s Project Centurion programme which integrated Brimstone, full Paveway IV functionality and Storm Shadow, in addition to full Striker HMD exploitation and a number of other multirole enabling capabilities. “That’s why they will keep flying the Tornados, despite the price tag and despite having asked about a Eurofighter nuclear certification in Washington,” Kamp predicted at the time. This doesn’t really count as an export success though. Justin Bronk is a Research Fellow of Military Sciences at the Royal United Services Institute and Editor of RUSI Defence Systems. Austria is trying to sell the their Typhoons as they are only not much use as a fighter. In practice, there is little to choose between them, I pity the enemy shot at by either. The leaked Swiss evaluation rated Rafale superior in almost every category- would this still be the case?The Swiss competition was horrendously mismanaged by the Eurofighter consortium with a buggy Tranche 1 jet sent to compete with the best that Saab and Dassault could bring to the table. How many Meteor could be carried in a wartime emergency? Typhoon users will have to wait for the UK-developed ECRS2 radar and DAS upgrade for a competitive or even (potentially) superior option. The solid well-researched information about aeroplanes is brilliantly combined with an irreverent attitude and real insight into the dangerous romantic world of combat aircraft. No significant difference in price. Rewards levels include these packs of specially produced trump cards. The Eurofighter Typhoon is the RAF's most advanced combat jet aircraft Photo: PA. ... (1,550 mph) making them considerably faster than the RAF’s workhorse Tornado jets, … However, to have a decent probability of kill against modern long range air defence radars, these missiles require accurate real time target location data. However, if talking about a ‘guns’ fight, then Rafale has better agility, instantaneous turn and sustained turn capabilities below around 15,000ft. His article provoked a huge response from readers around the world. Both are devastating revolver cannons with selectable rates of fire. I guess it would take a lot of money to upgrade them to the latest version? I would say this has to be counted as the definitive Rafale v Typhoon comparison for the early 2020s. In a complex battlespace with dense ground based as well as aerial threats, both Typhoon and Rafale are formidable assets but would rely on support from dedicated penetrating and stand-off assets to minimise risk and truly perform at their best. Until some time ago, the German Air Force was aiming to replace the Tornado fleet only with the Eurofighter in both the ECR and the Project Quadriga configuration. Maritime attack RBE2 again due to advantages of AESA array plus a more mature maritime attack mode with Exocet integrated. Both types are highly tolerant of bad weather conditions although Rafale-M has an edge in terms of landing conditions tolerances due to the carrier-suitability adaptions. The central display protruding out towards the pilot in the Rafale would be a matter of personal taste over the more traditional Typhoon display layout, with an easier view of the main radar/situational awareness display coming at the cost of slightly reduced cockpit working area in a cockpit already slightly more snug than Typhoon’s. Both Rafale F3R and P3E standard (Centurion upgraded) Typhoons present pilots with an intuitive combined situational awareness display which integrates data from multiple sensors. His article provoked a huge response from readers around the world. However, the decision leaves open the question of certification for nuclear weapons. The Typhoon was designed originally as an air superiority fighter and is manufactured by a consortium of Airbus, BAE Systems and Leonardo that conducts the majority of the project through a joint holding company, Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH formed in 1986. Sign up for the Early Bird Brief, the defense industry's most comprehensive news and information, straight to your inbox. Author has 887 answers and 3.5M answer views. Typhoon’s flight control software starts to progressively restrict the jet with heavier (or particularly asymmetric) loads. Recommended donation £15. In practice, both types depend to a large degree on tanker support for most operational missions. The Italian Air Force has recently begun training its first Eurofighter and Tornado pilots on the Alenia Aermacchi T-346A at Lecce airbase, in southeastern Italy. This is a significant advantage over Typhoon in the TAC-R role. – In Range, the Eurofighter’s LPD takes up a wet point Brimstone’s smaller size also allows more weapons to be carried per aircraft, with three per hardpoint on adaptors. The integration of the Meteor missile for the F3R standard Rafales has plugged a major weakness of the type in my 2015 assessments – the lack of a serious BVR stick. Typhoon’s habit of fighting at very high speeds and altitude for BVR engagements will result in a longer effective range on Meteor shots, but in practice there are almost no scenarios short of a full scale war with Russia where the rules of engagement would allow shots at such a range where that difference would tell. The Eurofighter is also the front-runner to meet the Luftwaffe’s 85-aircraft requirement for a Tornado replacement. There’s a reason (beyond the undoubted inefficiencies and concurrency) why the US have had to put nearly half a trillion dollars into the F-35 programme to date, mostly aimed at getting the nightmarishly ambitious and complex software architecture to work. ( Log Out / The UK’s Typhoons in particular are more closely integrated with the USAF air dominance community than (any) other fighter arm so have more practice in getting the most out of cooperative engagements with F-22s in realistic training scenarios. Both Typhoon and Rafale can launch capable standoff cruise missiles in the shape of the Storm Shadow/SCALP and Taurus KEPD 350. This is all relative, however, as both aircraft perform very similarly in most scenarios compared to other types. The lower the altitude, the greater Rafale’s margin of advantage; the higher one goes, the better Typhoon performs relatively. It seems to hinge on the EW suite being ‘e-programmable’. For example, Spanish Typhoons cost a great deal more to fly than British ones since the RAF flies its fleet a lot more and has more streamlined maintenance support arrangements. In fact, the Eurofighter is the only modern Western fighter that still has such a radar, because older fighters like the F-15, F-16, and F/A-18 have already been refitted with AESAs. As above, the higher the speed and altitude of an engagement, the better Typhoon performs relative to Rafale and vice versa. ( Log Out / Curious on what he bases his comments on instantaneous and sustained turn rate. For Rafale, Meteor is regularly carried by the F3R standard aircraft on live operational sorties by both the Armee de l’Air and Aeronavale. As far as I’m aware the Rafale has so far only been cleared for Meteor carriage on the two side-fuselage hardpoints although I could be wrong on that. The integration of full Meteor capability and upgrades to the UK’s ESM capabilities within the DAS are also a big boost. Depends on altitude and speed. I am surprised the Typhoons new Digital Stealth was not mentioned, it seems to be a world leading capability on Typhoon to counter, if not surpass the lack of static stealth in the air-frame. The defence secretary has unveiled plans for a new RAF fighter jet, the Tempest, which will eventually replace the Eurofighter Typhoon. Rafale is designed to excel at subsonic speeds and at lower altitudes. Photograph: Sean Gallup/Getty Images. Rafale’s SCALP and Typhoon’s Storm Shadow are essentially the same (extremely capable but very expensive) missile from MBDA. However, in terms of radar, the Rafale would still come out ahead due to its mature RBE2. Both are significantly cleaner in terms of switches and clutter than previous generations of aircraft and slightly cleaner than current generation F-15s and F-16s in USAF service. The BK27 has slightly better muzzle velocity and ballistic properties whilst the GIAT has slightly better destructive effect due to its larger shell. The German air force has settled on replacements for its aging Panavia Tornado fleet, agreeing to buy Eurofighter Typhoons and Boeing F/A-18E/F Hornets in both Super Hornet and Growler configurations. F-35 is more economical, the Eurofighters twin engine will need more and mor (Radar 0 will out-range both against airborne targets). In May 2019, EUROFIGHTER, Eurojet Turbo and NETMA (NATO EUROFIGHTER and Tornado Management Agency) signed contracts worth a total of €53.7M to initiate the studies and risk reduction phase of the LTE for the EUROFIGHTER. However, as a rule Rafale is probably slightly cheaper in real terms to acquire than Typhoon. The RAF’s Tranche 3 jets. They’re trying to do something much more ambitious; although in many scenarios the output is functionally similar. The book will be a stunning object: an essential addition to the library of anyone with even a passing interest in the high-flying world of warplanes, and featuring first-rate photography and a wealth of new world-class illustrations. The Indian standard does feature some impressive additions including additional podded electronic warfare capabilities and TRD, whilst the Qatari standard features the new HMD. The Indian standard Rafales come with a Towed Radar Decoy (TRD) but the French aircraft currently lack this feature. It only takes a moment. At the lower end, the Rafale can also carry and deliver the US made Paveway II and III series and like Typhoon is cleared to carry but does not currently use a range of other US munitions. “The F-35 delivers unmatched value as the most capable and lowest life-cycle cost aircraft, while delivering the strongest long-term industrial and economic opportunities compared to any fighter on the market. Rowland White, author of the best-selling ‘Vulcan 607’, I’ve selected the richest juiciest cuts of Hush-Kit, added a huge slab of new unpublished material, and with Unbound, I want to create a beautiful coffee-table book. However, those will not be in service for several years so are not included here. JAS 39 Gripen vs Eurofighter TyphoonComments of readers (Feel free to leave a reply on bottom)1. Low-observabilityBoth Rafale and Typhoon have low observable features but quite frankly neither is a low observable type. Shame about the whole referendum thing for the Swiss Air Force. Sebastian Sprenger is associate editor for Europe at Defense News, reporting on the state of the defense market in the region, and on U.S.-Europe cooperation and multi-national investments in defense and global security. In 2015, Research Fellow at the RUSI Think-tank Justin Bronk, compared Europe’s two middle-weight fighter aircraft, the Typhoon and Rafale, The relatively subtle differences between these two superbly capable aircraft have inspired a great deal of heated debate, often poisoned by pride and nationalism. As such, both Typhoon and Rafale could make a very valuable contribution to a SEAD/DEAD operation in support of more stealthy penetrating ISTAR/strike assets such as F-35 or advanced UAVs, but if hypothetically forced to fight alone neither is particularly well suited at present – Rafale having a slight edge due to the SPECTRA suite. The Rafale's Matra MICA missiles are modern dogfight missiles on par with the AIM-9X, IRIS-T, … At low altitudes Rafale’s energy retention is slightly better at best corner speed, whilst at higher altitudes Typhoon has better energy retention. Unless he has access to the official EM charts for both, he is simply guessing. eurofighter ; Derived terms * typhoon fifth Related terms * tycoon See also * cyclone * hurricane * tornado storm . Deputy Defense Minister Ralf Brauksiepe stated in December that Berlin saw the Eurofighter Typhoon as the “primary” option for replacing the domestically-produced Panavia Tornado, whereas the F-15, F/A-18 and F-35 were merely “secondary choices.” The AIM-120C7 and AIM-120D variants of AMRAAM used by RAF Typhoons significantly outrange MICA, although they do no boast an IR variant for passive BVR engagement capabilities. Germany has cleared its Taurus KEPD 350 cruise missile but since German politicians do not believe that Air Forces should be used to kill people, its capabilities remain untested in combat. Rafale operating costs and availability likewise varies across standards and operators. Geographically surrounded on four sides by the Eurofighter nations, the frivolous observer may liken the French Rafale to Asterix and his indomitable… Thank you very much. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. With external pylons, tanks, weapons and pods, both have a sufficient RCS to be detected at long ranges by modern sensors such as the Irbis-E on the Su-35 and Chinese AESAs on J-10C, J-16 or J-20, as well as ground based air defence radars. Typhoon export users employ the Damocles pod (Saudi Arabia) and the Sniper pod (Kuwait). “There does not have to be a nuclear Tornado replacement,” Karl-Heinz Kamp, president of the government think tank Federal Academy for Security Policy, told Defense News in August. Meanwhile the new Qatari standard Rafales are being delivered with the type’s first HMD, but the French Air Force still lacks this capability, and the system is still to be matured. Variants – In Recce, Rafale has the dedicated Reco NG pod. The French Rafales can also carry the ASMP-A nuclear standoff missile which is a unique capability. By dint of being complex multi role single seat (in most cases) fighters, the HOTAS controls are fairly intimidating to someone used to a US teen series (or my DCS A-10C/F-16 HOTAS), but once mastered are extremely comprehensive. What is Typhoon’s configuration designed to excel at, and the same for Rafale? A Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jet flies at the Berlin air show. Related to (l). German defense officials on Thursday evening stressed that no decisions had been made besides reducing the playing field to the FA-18 and the Eurofighter Typhoon. Also Damocles is replaced by TALIOS as part of F3R. Interviews with pilots of the F-14 Tomcat, Mirage, Typhoon, MiG-25, MiG-27, English Electric Lighting, Harrier, F-15, B-52 and many more. I will add an estimate in brackets for the Kuwaiti/Qatari standard Typhoon with the ‘Radar 0’ version of the CAPTOR-E AESA which is flying and enters service this year in Kuwait. In that sense, both feature sensor fusion and represent a significant upgrade compared to legacy aircraft and previous Rafale and Typhoon standards. Range: 3,700 km: 2,900 km: Max speed: Mach 1.8 (1,912 km/h) Mach 2.0 (2,120 km/h, 1,320 mph) Service ceiling: 15,235 m: 19,812 m: Weight empty: 10.3 t: 11 t: Weight max: How frequently is Meteor actually carried in 2020?Tranche 2 and 3 Typhoons regularly carry Meteor on live operational sorties with European users, although the Tranche 1s do not use the missile which is why the RAF purchased the latest AIM-120D for its remaining Tranche 1s. ( Log Out / Before the German MoD confirmed that the F-35 was officially out of the running, Reuters on Thursday reported that the ministry was considering splitting the buy between the Typhoon and either the F-35 or Super Hornet.